Kevin Daisey (00:31)
What’s up out there everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Managing Partners Podcast. I have, Tom Bosworth here at a Philly. Tom, think we, I think we met in San Diego last year at Law-Di-Gras and, there’s a lot of people were like, man, meet Tom, Tom, you know, is like a damn rock star up in there. So I was obviously excited to meet him and,
He has a podcast. I was on his podcast recently, which is just getting ready to drop, I believe. And I want to have Tom on the podcast to really talk about, you know, what he’s done differently. He’s been very successful in a very short amount of time from what I can see. This is my optics anyway. And, for me, you know, I’m all about building businesses, and this show is all about building a law firm. So just want to hear Tom’s story and what he’s up to. Hopefully some of us can learn from what he’s done and, and where he’s going.
And so yeah, we’re just here to riff a little bit and have some fun. So, Tom, welcome to the show.
Tom Bosworth (01:21)
Thanks man, yeah. That was great to meet you in San Diego. Just thinking about that. I was like the only East Coast lawyer, I felt, like on the speaker panel. It was Nick Rowley was a part of it and then Ibiary Sack. It was all like California folks and I was, I’m like the lone East Coaster, but it was a great time and it was great to meet you too.
Kevin Daisey (01:42)
I was there to support the East Coast. I felt the same way. I was there. I had people be like, you’re from where? Like Virginia Beach. Like where the hell is the East Coast. You came all the way out here. Yeah.
Tom Bosworth (01:53)
Yeah, exactly. Well, everybody was
singing your praises too, so I’m glad to be here with you. I know your story a little bit, so yeah.
Kevin Daisey (02:00)
that. Well,
I appreciate it. Yeah. I was just on your podcast and appreciate you having me on, but, yeah, I mean, I’ve already signed up for Law-Di-Gras. I got a booth and actually we’re going to do a live podcast recording booth. We’re also going to do like a man on the street style where we’re going around and, just ask them lawyers questions and stuff like that. So if you’re going to be there, definitely get on the list to do some live podcasting. ⁓ so, for sure. I got Bob already going to be on the list to.
Tom Bosworth (02:22)
Thank you.
Kevin Daisey (02:26)
to do it with me. So, so time to tell me your story. mean, again, from what I know, I think you started your firm like 2022. ⁓
Tom Bosworth (02:33)
Yeah, late
2022.
Kevin Daisey (02:34)
Late 2022, you’re based out of Philly. You do PI, uh, primarily, right? So just give us a little background on your story, um, how you come about starting your own firm and, what you specialize in.
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Tom Bosworth (03:23)
Sure, well I, geez, I don’t know how far back I should go. I mean, my mom wasn’t really set out to be a lawyer. My mom was a waitress and my dad was a police officer in a town of 3,000 people in the middle of rural Western Massachusetts.
Somewhere some people would call a flyover area, I guess. I I don’t like that term because it’s kind of it’s kind of pretentious. But and I love where I’m from. But anyways, no, I my grandmother died when I was 18 from medical negligence. And it kind of set me on a path ultimately where I ended up at Temple Law and in Philadelphia, Temple Beasley School of Law. Graduated 2016, I did a federal clerkship.
Kevin Daisey (03:41)
Ha ha.
Tom Bosworth (04:01)
right out the gate, a one-year clerkship with a federal judge, which was really great, and got to see the inner workings of the judiciary and watch trials and help the judge make decisions. And then I worked five years for a large catastrophic plaintiffs injury law firm. And then…
November 2022, two months after I got the, what was the largest medical malpractice jury verdict in Pennsylvania in September 2022. And I was 33 at that time. So, you know, just, I wish I could say I saw that coming and I knew that the jury was going to do what they did. I’m not that smart though. But I was, yeah, two months after that is when I started my own firm.
And then that’s been going really just exploded, I guess is one way to put it in terms of how great, know, how lucky and just prosperous and just
really how lucky I am to be in this position and have so many different people that trust me with their cases and that’s kind of word of mouth. Oh, did I mention I went viral on social media? At some point in this saga, I started doing TikTok videos before I even knew how to use my phone with TikTok and someone was like, you should do a TikTok. I started doing informational TikToks and now I have like 300 something thousand followers. So it’s kind of…
Kind of crazy. I don’t know if that answers your question, but I got a lot of irons in the fire as my grandfather would say, but it’s pretty cool.
Kevin Daisey (05:23)
Thank
No, no, it’s, um, again, I, I didn’t even really know who you were last year. And then, you know, obviously I went and followed you and we, uh, connected and, I kind of kept checking out your stuff and said, man, this guy’s fricking. And then I was on your website earlier and I was like, started in 2022 and then you’re like the end of 2022. I’m like, Holy smokes. So, uh, yeah, just, you know, some of the things you’ve done if, uh, I think a lot of lawyers, I would say majority lawyers are like, well, I can’t be successful on TikTok.
I probably can’t figure out Instagram. I probably can’t do this and that. and they usually hire someone like us or me to, to do SEO and to drive leads for them. And they don’t feel like they can themselves be successful at these other channels. And, and we see it time and time again, it’s definitely possible. You just got to figure out, be yourself. and you’re certainly yourself, right? Which is what’s unique about you and probably why you’ve been successful at it. So.
Tom Bosworth (06:18)
Yeah, I think that
you know, for better or worse, one of the biggest reasons people like me or hate me is that I am myself and I don’t, you know, obviously I’m mindful of the ethical implications of speaking about legal issues and, you know, on social media and some of that implicates, you know, ethics rules and some of it doesn’t, you some of it could be characterized as advertising, some of it’s not. But regardless, I very much believe in…
being a holistic human being and a person and I really firmly believe that lawyers should not hide who they are but really show who they are and everyone’s different. So I don’t mean to say like you, every lawyer needs to get on social media. Everyone’s different, it’s a personal choice but I think one of the problems in this profession, at least in my opinion, is that we’ve…
You know, it’s no secret that there’s a lot of workaholics, there’s a lot of stress, there’s a lot of anxiety, there’s a lot of substance abuse, there’s a lot of issues in the legal field. I mean, this is not a earth-shattering thing, I’m saying it, to any lawyer who’s listening. you know, yeah, I think a lot of that is, you know, this emphasis that we just be these one-dimensional robots, like you’re a lawyer and that’s your identity and that’s who you are.
I really firmly push back against that and it doesn’t mean you don’t value what you do. I hope people know I take my craft very seriously and I pride myself on performing at the highest possible level in the courtroom and litigating. So it’s not like that. But yeah, think that’s a big part of
Kevin Daisey (07:31)
Love it.
Well, you know, from other folks I know, luckily through this podcast and through clients and experience, um, you know, like Jen Gore, Bob Simon, these are people that they’re themselves and they, they talk about even personal things. They, uh, Bob drinks bourbon on his show and he, he has fun and he doesn’t really give a crap. Um, and, know, Jen came out and was like, talk about her divorce and all kinds of things. It was just, everything’s out there. And so you’re not just this
lawyer in a suit, reading off a script, social media crap. And so they’re the ones that see successful are the ones that are like, you know what? This is me. I don’t really give a crap. Who cares? And they’re the ones that win and they’re successful. And yeah, the people that don’t like them aren’t going to like them. And that’s fine. Find out sooner, know, as soon as you can. You have to ask some haters.
Tom Bosworth (08:33)
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. I think, yeah, I think those people are great. And I talk about for myself, you know, my surprise, I’ve been sober since 2011. Like I don’t drink, I don’t do any. And I don’t, by the way, I don’t, I’m not a teetotaler. I’m not anti, anti drinking or whatever. I don’t like, you know, look down on that, but that’s part of my story. And I know other people that
in the field and that’s another thing that I like to talk about when it’s applicable because it’s just part of who I am, not something I’m ashamed of and not something I run from. But yeah, I think we’re in a kind of a turning point in the profession where there is a lot more of the Bob Simons, the Jen Gores and I think of Nick Rowley as well, who’s a good friend who is, I know cares deeply about the human element of the practice of law and
Kevin Daisey (09:19)
Mm-hmm.
Tom Bosworth (09:25)
being mindful and being yourself. So I think we’re heading in a different direction.
Kevin Daisey (09:30)
Yeah, without a doubt. And, yeah, if you cared about drinking, you wouldn’t have been at Law-Di-Gras for sure.
Tom Bosworth (09:35)
Yeah, exactly. I’m like the guy just over there with a seltzer just chopping it up and I’m like, I’m I’m hitting the hay at like 10 o’clock if you guys are, you you guys keep going, but I’m going to sleep.
Kevin Daisey (09:46)
We
may have stayed up a little later than that, but ⁓ those secrets will come out on another episode. Secrets of Law-Di-Gras. We’ll cover that. But no, I totally agree with you. It’s cool to see a lot of the change and just from my perception of lawyers, let’s say 10 years ago, before I really niche to kind of end the working with lawyers, it’s totally different than it is now. I have so many lawyers that are friends
Tom Bosworth (09:48)
it
Kevin Daisey (10:07)
that show up on camera with t-shirts on that, you know, or baseball caps and the they’re working from home. It’s just a lot has changed with, with that, not across the board. There’s still a lot of the traditional, you know, lawyers out there that, you know, you expect to see, but there’s been a lot of change. There’s been a lot of automation. There’s, you know, you have Zoom and not having to be in an office at all. You know, there’s just a lot of changes that have happened out there.
And I think allow some of these folks to be where they want to be, go where they want to go, still be effective at their job. And I just, I think that’s a good thing. So.
Tom Bosworth (10:39)
So do I. I think that, you know, here I go and I’m going to probably say something that’s going to ruffle some feathers, but, but, but, you know, there’s a generational tension. I mean, there’s, there’s this generational tension between the, you know, the folks who have been here for a long time and they, they may not like the advent of technology or the fact that it’s a
Kevin Daisey (10:47)
I love it.
Tom Bosworth (11:03)
that it’s not going anywhere, that lawyers are using it. I mean, there was that sort of tension when television came on the scene in the eighties or nineties or whatever with the lawyers. And we saw that same sort of tension. I don’t think it’s much different now. We’re just talking about a different medium. We’re talking about TikTok and we’re talking about Instagram. We’re not talking about TV, but you know, as a law firm owner, I try always to, I don’t want to end up that
There’s gonna be something when I’m, God willing, when I’m 70 or 75 or 65 or even 50. Yeah, we’re like, darn kids in these scallywags or whatever. I don’t wanna be that. I wanna welcome that. I wanna be aware of it. And of course, I’m not gonna be as savvy as the younger folks with it at that time, but I think introspection, self-reflection generally are very, very important qualities.
Kevin Daisey (11:33)
and kids.
Tom Bosworth (11:53)
And I don’t proclaim to be an expert or perfect at all, but I think that if you, it’s dangerous to avoid those things, to avoid introspection and self-reflection, both personally but also professionally because you end up just kind of resentful and angry and you might just be, but as opposed to understanding it and working with it and adapting. And I think that we’re seeing a lot of that with the legal profession.
Kevin Daisey (12:14)
No, I totally agree with you. And, it’s just like when the internet came around and then when lawyers got, were able to use email, like, you know, just like the TV, like they can advertise. and so, yeah, we’re going to continue to go through those moments where you can either get on board and say, okay, let’s do it. Or you’re going to start to be left behind. And I unfortunately talk to lots of lawyers that are behind on, you know, a lot of things because just the playing field is changing.
Where they used to get leads or from certain sources that are going away because of AI or from AI search or whatever. So like me for me as an agency, I remember when COVID hit and we’re like, me and my partner sat down for a minute. like, what are we going to do? And within like 20 minutes, we’re like, we’re to go on offense. We’re going to spend more. We’re going to market more. And we’re going to tell our clients, we are not going anywhere. Then we’re going to double down. And so same thing with AI just appeared.
Well, we could say, shit, it’s going take our jobs and all my people have to go somewhere else. Or we leverage it lean into it. And that’s what we’re doing. Google might not ever be around in a while, in a short amount of time. Where are people going to find clients? Right. And so we have to figure out that and move on and not care about Google, right. If that, if that ends up being the case. So, and I bet a lot.
Tom Bosworth (13:24)
Well, I
think ChatGPT is probably currently eclipsing Google. mean, not to say that Google’s not going to make money and not be a massive company, they probably always will be. But I think in terms of usage, particularly with younger people, if you look at those numbers, I would bet you, I don’t know the statistics, but I think most people, if they have a question, they go to ChatGPT in the way that they went to Google a couple years ago.
Kevin Daisey (13:50)
Yeah. And so lawyers need to understand this because, and agency owners, if any of my competitors are listening, like we now track how often you’re showing up in ChatGPT search. How do you show up in not, we had to shift from just Google to all that stuff really fast. And how do you rank in it? How does Tom come up? Why would ChatGPT even recommend him as a lawyer to hire in Philadelphia? we got to, we got to get that done. We got to figure that out.
And if your lawyer is sitting there going, maybe I’ll start doing some SEO. Like, well, you’re don’t even, I mean, that’s still a thing, but it’s not the only thing. And you need to be working on LinkedIn, other channels, TikTok, Instagram. Um, so yeah, it’s just so much rapid change that if you’re already behind on just the basic things that you should have done five years ago, 10 years ago, then you’re, you’re definitely going to feel some pain here soon if you’re not already. So.
Tom Bosworth (14:42)
Yeah,
one of the, I don’t know, one of the things I think often gets kind of mixed up though is this misunderstanding usually from lawyers who maybe they’re not as savvy with the technology or it’s not part of what they do. And it’s this, you know, it’s this idea that lawyers who are on social media, lawyers who are prevalent on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, that they’re like, they’re like a quote social media lawyer, right? Or an influencer. I think I,
I don’t even know what that means. I think it’s just that some lawyers are popular on social media and some are not for whatever reason. But I think about people like Bob Simon, who’s a bona fide trial lawyer, a real lawyer, someone like Nick Rowley, one of the best trial lawyers in the country. I mean there are real lawyers who actually exercise the craft of being an attorney at the highest possible level who are also on social media.
and forward-facing on social media. So I like to push back against that narrative too because it’s not just purely marketing. It’s not just the lawyers who are, whatever you want to call it, billboard lawyers, and nothing against them. Some of them are my closest friends and I have nothing against that style of practice or whatever business model, however you want to call it. My only point is that
Lawyers should not assume that other lawyers who are big on social media are not also really good at being a lawyer. And I think we need to resist that temptation and everyone needs to kind of take a deep breath, sit down and have a conversation about it. Cause it’s not, I mean, we’re 2025 now, July 2025 in December 2025 in five months, we’ll be in a much different place technologically. We’re not going backwards, we’re going forward. So that’s.
Kevin Daisey (16:23)
It’s not going anywhere.
And there’ll be another platform and something else to get on early adopts and people are going to take advantage of it. And some won’t. And so, yeah, you get to sit there and be like, well, they’re just, they’re just an influencer. They’re just dance. I hate when some people will say, I’m not going to dance on TikTok. Well, Tom’s not dancing on TikTok either. ⁓ you don’t have to dance.
Tom Bosworth (16:25)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well,
Well, another thing I hear too is like, there’s a right way to do it. There’s a right way to do it. And then you go, well, what’s that? And usually the response is, well, to be boring in a suit, impersonal, looking like every other lawyer has for the last 50 years. And if that were the right way to do it, then all these new things wouldn’t be so successful. People wouldn’t want to see an attorney in a t-shirt
talking like a normal person, but they do want that. People wouldn’t want to see an attorney showing their personal life or exposing certain aspects of their personality, but they do want that, right? So, you know, again, be mindful of the rules of professional conduct in ethics, but nothing in the rules of professional conduct says don’t have a personality, completely dilute any sense of humanity from your entire self, and be a robot. That’s not in there. Yeah, like that’s not in there, so.
Kevin Daisey (17:26)
in.
and wear a suit.
Tom Bosworth (17:34)
You know, again, it’s just sort of taboo, but I also feel a sense of, I’m like, hey, sorry if this sounds bad, but I kind of hear guys, lawyers complain about it. I go, cool, keep burying your head in the sand. I’m gonna be over here adapting in real time to the reality. You can go live in the past. I’ll be here continuing to get new clients, continuing to help people, continuing to grow my market share.
Kevin Daisey (18:00)
Yeah. I love it. I love, your, you know, some of your attitude and some of the posts you’ve done. I see them. And, like when you were talking about a case that you, you won and you had the other lawyer coming at you saying they’re going to sue you because you taught the case has already been closed. and the comments and like your pushback and you just kind of stand your ground on, on what you put out there. And because I know, you know, that it’s.
Tom Bosworth (18:00)
how I feel.
Kevin Daisey (18:24)
something you’re able to put out there, know, otherwise you wouldn’t do it. and so, yeah, I just like to see like you’re, you’re standing your ground in the comments and, and you, you know, all the posts that you’ve done. So you just gotta be yourself, stand up for yourself, be unique, and no one should tell you how it’s done. Because every day someone’s figuring out some other way to do it and they’re being successful and that works for them. And then everybody’s like, well, why are they successful? Well, they figure some shit out that works, you know?
Tom Bosworth (18:28)
Right.
Kevin Daisey (18:50)
and they’re being themselves. So, yeah.
Tom Bosworth (18:52)
Yeah,
I think with that one post, you know, lot of things, or I think people may not understand is that, you know, if I post about a trial victory, like that one where I won a trial, you know, behind that is three, four, five years of me representing someone who was horribly injured through the negligence of somebody else and has been going through this process. And then finally we get to the courtroom, which is a public place
by definition and constitutionally, it’s a public place where public dispute is aired out and then there’s a public verdict, verdict literally means in Latin to speak the truth. And you have that public accounting and then, you know, social media is also a public forum to air out public things. And I mean, the US Supreme Court’s even referred to social media as the new kind of the public marketplace, right?
Where there used to be a soap box that someone would stand on in the middle of the town square. That’s literally the US Supreme Court has referred to social media as being like that now. So when I get complaints or threats from lawyers who have lost against me in that public forum, in the courtroom, and particularly lawyers like in that case who made no settlement offer ever to try to settle the case, which by the way, any lawyers listening, most cases end up in settlement and…
Kevin Daisey (19:47)
You
Tom Bosworth (20:10)
most of the time you settle, it’s confidential and it’s an exchange of money for an agreement to not continue the lawsuit and not, a lot of times not talk about, that’s available to defendants. That’s available to these companies. That’s available to these insurance companies. They could do that and let’s just call it what it is. mean, that lawyer said, put up Tom. I mean, he was regarded as the best defense lawyer in Pennsylvania for medical malpractice and he got beat.
Kevin Daisey (20:23)
This was public.
Tom Bosworth (20:37)
and in a really tough case, but he should have offered money at a very injured child. And I thought we had a reasonable argument and the jury agreed with us. So, again, then he threatens me because I’m posting about the victory in the public court. So I find that stuff to be really important to call out. It’s not about me making money and it’s not about the financial aspect. I truly believe in the importance of that.
From a free speech standpoint, from an accountability standpoint, from a lot of standpoints. it’s, yeah. And then my clients want that story told. So it’s a matter of principle to me. And I respect other lawyers who go, I’m not going there, man. You’re like putting your neck out there and you know what? They’re not wrong, but I find it, maybe it’s from my personal experience with my grandmother dying. Maybe it’s from my, I don’t know, but I have a very strong
Kevin Daisey (21:07)
Your client, your client standpoint and and tell them, tell them that story.
Tom Bosworth (21:30)
feeling about a lot of this stuff. It’s not just about like making money.
Kevin Daisey (21:34)
And that’s what makes you different. So, so if you’re listening, you’re trying to figure out social media or anything, it doesn’t matter. What makes you different? What’s who’s who are you? and be yourself and you’d be surprised, what people gravitate towards. And again, they’re either the likey or they’re not gonna like you. And that’s, that’s life right there. And the more exposure you get, the more following you get, the more haters you’re going to get. But you’re also, you’re getting in front of people that want to hear you.
want to follow you, or want to hire you. Right. So you just got to go all in. So I love watching you, Tom. It’s been awesome. where, you know, where are you at this point in your, in your short business career, as far as, settlements one and things like that. Do you know?
Tom Bosworth (22:12)
Well, ⁓
Kevin Daisey (22:16)
I
looked at your website and I was like, man, okay, wow, that’s a short amount of time.
Tom Bosworth (22:19)
Well, you know what’s funny
about it? The website is like, it’s totally in shambles. And that’s not anyone’s fault on my own, I, well, I’m like, yeah, we settled a case for 27 million not long ago, and we settled another one for 25 million. We just got a $5.6 million verdict in another case, settled another case just north of a million in a case.
Kevin Daisey (22:24)
Hit it. You need to hire me or my team and we’ll fix that up for you live on the podcast.
Tom Bosworth (22:43)
Yeah, it’s just been really, really great and one after the other that half of these aren’t on the website because I’m too freaking busy. I’m literally too, that’s an excuse. I mean, someone can build the website up, but I’m like, I’m literally running around like a chicken with my head cut off and I’m like, you know, I just.
Kevin Daisey (22:59)
You know, he canceled
this. He cancels recorded with me once. Couldn’t show up. So had to, had to get back on his schedule.
Tom Bosworth (23:05)
Sorry, I’m just, I’m always trying to juggle things and also having a five and a three year old as well, which is, know, obviously my number one job, but yeah.
Kevin Daisey (23:07)
I’m listening to you.
Yeah, my, uh, mostly my kids are 11 and 14. So they’ve been in like this.
Tom Bosworth (23:18)
So you’re
in the teenage realm, which I haven’t entered.
Kevin Daisey (23:22)
Yeah, you don’t want to. ⁓ We’ve been sending them to camps like as much as we can all summer. So, yeah, I got one in a camp, one’s at home, which is kind of cool. We get to spend time with, you know, one-on-one versus having both of them around. So, that’s been pretty cool. So, but yeah, Tom, I love to your success, man. And, you know, love what you got going on. Hopefully some folks that are tuning in can, can learn from what you’re doing.
Tom Bosworth (23:24)
Thank
There you go.
Kevin Daisey (23:47)
Or they have questions, maybe they connect with you. We’ve got tons of attorneys that listen to the show that reach out to me all the time. So you’ve got questions, know, connect with Tom, reach out to him, follow him, see what he’s doing. But at the same time, he’s just a fricking awesome lawyer and he’s getting amazing wins for his clients and still putting himself out there and being who he wants to be. I think that’s a fresh thing to see.
Tom Bosworth (24:08)
Thanks, Kev. Yeah, I love talking to other lawyers just off the cuff too. It’s not like a, you know, it doesn’t have to be like this formalistic thing, but I just love, you know, spitting spitballing ideas and yeah, so.
Kevin Daisey (24:09)
Yeah, man.
I mean, as the best thing I’ve ever done is get in a group or a mastermind, and then talk to people that have done exactly what you’re trying to do or something similar or they’ve, know, it’s the best way to, learn other than listen to podcasts like this. ⁓ and so that’s it. The only podcast that you need to listen to. no, I mean, this podcast for me is, I say this all the time. One, I get to talk with you one-on-one. That’s the most important thing.
Tom Bosworth (24:34)
This podcast, just to be clear.
Kevin Daisey (24:45)
and get to meet you and know you. Number two, I get content less important to me. Number three, well, maybe, you know, someone who can refer us or whatever, some work, but number four, I get to learn right firsthand, ask questions that I can use for myself and apply to what I’m doing. So, so it’s just a win, win, win, win four times, right? Boom. So if you don’t have a podcast, people get one, Tom’s got one.
Tom Bosworth (25:08)
Yep, City of Brotherly Law.
Kevin Daisey (25:08)
And it’s just.
City of Brotherly Law. I was on it. I was the only non-lawyer on that thing. So probably but We had a good episode Well, tom, what’s the best way, what’s your instagram? what’s the best way for people to follow you?
Tom Bosworth (25:16)
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
So, Instagram, I’m @lawyertombosworth. TikTok, I am tommy-the-lawyer. And my actual government name is Tom Bosworth. And my law firm is Bosworth De Angelo. So, you can email me, can send me a message on social media. tom@bosworthdeangelo.com is my email. And yeah, I’m always talking to people.
Kevin Daisey (25:43)
Well, I appreciate you talking to me today and sharing some of your story and successes and can’t wait to watch it. Hopefully see it some shows coming up and, uh, I’ll have to make my way up to Philly at some point. I’ve been there in a while. Sounds like it sounds like a bunch. Oh, one up. All right. Well, Tom, stay on with me for just a sec. These files take a second to upload sometimes everyone. Thank you for tuning in as always appreciate you and we’ll see you on the next episode.
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